Comments on: Total Depravity Verse List http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=total-depravity-verse-list Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:21:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Travis Carden http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-36251 Travis Carden Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:20:25 +0000 http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-36251 All right, Erik and P.B. Here's my "How men can commend themselves to God by works" list--in one verse. Matthew 5:48: “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (c.f. negatively, James 2:11). ;-) All right, Erik and P.B. Here’s my “How men can commend themselves to God by works” list–in one verse. Matthew 5:48: “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” (c.f. negatively, James 2:11). ;-)

]]> By: tom harvey http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-36195 tom harvey Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:32:08 +0000 http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-36195 this list is incredible.... it may even be complete we are doing a study on evangelism at my church and i cannot wait to pass Travis' list out. thank you for posting, and i have bookmarked travis site as you recommended this list is incredible…. it may even be complete
we are doing a study on evangelism at my church and i cannot wait to pass Travis’
list out.
thank you for posting, and i have bookmarked travis site as you recommended

]]> By: P.B. http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35798 P.B. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:38:44 +0000 http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35798 I get the joke, but remember, I don't have a sense of humor!!! I get the joke, but remember, I don’t have a sense of humor!!!

]]> By: Erik http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35786 Erik Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:17:05 +0000 http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35786 P.B. Your hypothetical reference translates to a blank page....I think you know what I mean. P.B. Your hypothetical reference translates to a blank page….I think you know what I mean.

]]> By: Stan McCullars http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35751 Stan McCullars Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:09:46 +0000 http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35751 Good post. Your friend Travis has quite a list. Thanks for sharing it. Good post. Your friend Travis has quite a list. Thanks for sharing it.

]]> By: P.B. http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35742 P.B. Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:40:59 +0000 http://www.irishcalvinist.com/?p=1471#comment-35742 Hey Erik, There are verses that make it so that man can commend himself to God on the basis of works. However, the issue is ABSOLUTE PERFECTION. If one would commend himself to God on the basis of work, then "Cursed is everyone that does not continue to in all the things which are written in the book of the Law to do them" (Gal 3:10). And more, "The man that practices them [the commandments] shall live by them" (Gal 3:11). And Romans 2:7-10 (see Douglas Moo for the 'hypothetical justification aspect'): "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek glory and honor and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man the doeth evil, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentiles. But glory, honor, and peace to every man that works (notice the tense of the verb) good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile." The issue is whether anyone can 'live by the law,' claim a continual, unbroken (even once) obedience to the truth, for James states, "For he who keeps the whole law and yet offends in one part, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10), which is followed by a warning that we will be judged by the free royal law! Therefore, IF a man could commend all of his life in a perfection of works with a perfection of heart, mind, will, emotions, motives, desires, disposition and nature unto God at every moment, then justification by works (hypothetically) would occur. And remember ALL justification is by works anyway, as Sinclair Ferguson and R.C. Sproul point out. It is just a matter of by whose works is one declared righteous! There is no mixture of the perfect life of Christ and our works (Gal 3:1-6), neither in coming to believe the first time, nor in the sustaining of faith and the growing in faith. I love that Paul does not shrink from telling his readers that there are two ways of justification. One is by YOUR works, which ends in a curse and the doom of one's life under the wrath of God. The other is by Christ's works, which, in connection to the fulfillment of the legal requirement for the punishment of sin, results in the glory, honor and life that we do not deserve! Hey Erik,

There are verses that make it so that man can commend himself to God on the basis of works. However, the issue is ABSOLUTE PERFECTION. If one would commend himself to God on the basis of work, then “Cursed is everyone that does not continue to in all the things which are written in the book of the Law to do them” (Gal 3:10). And more, “The man that practices them [the commandments] shall live by them” (Gal 3:11). And Romans 2:7-10 (see Douglas Moo for the ‘hypothetical justification aspect’): “To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek glory and honor and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man the doeth evil, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentiles. But glory, honor, and peace to every man that works (notice the tense of the verb) good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.”

The issue is whether anyone can ‘live by the law,’ claim a continual, unbroken (even once) obedience to the truth, for James states, “For he who keeps the whole law and yet offends in one part, he is guilty of all” (James 2:10), which is followed by a warning that we will be judged by the free royal law!

Therefore, IF a man could commend all of his life in a perfection of works with a perfection of heart, mind, will, emotions, motives, desires, disposition and nature unto God at every moment, then justification by works (hypothetically) would occur. And remember ALL justification is by works anyway, as Sinclair Ferguson and R.C. Sproul point out. It is just a matter of by whose works is one declared righteous! There is no mixture of the perfect life of Christ and our works (Gal 3:1-6), neither in coming to believe the first time, nor in the sustaining of faith and the growing in faith.

I love that Paul does not shrink from telling his readers that there are two ways of justification. One is by YOUR works, which ends in a curse and the doom of one’s life under the wrath of God. The other is by Christ’s works, which, in connection to the fulfillment of the legal requirement for the punishment of sin, results in the glory, honor and life that we do not deserve!

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